"I and the Father are One" John 10:30

 Before we take a look at how the Savior meant for us to understand how he and the Father are one, there's a couple of things I'd like to point out first. 

How many beings or persons does it take to make up a triune god, or Trinity? Of course the answer is ' 3.'  How many persons, or beings does the Savior tells "are one"? The answer is, "I and My Father are one."  If anything the Messiah 'disproved' the idea of a 'triune'  or 3 in 1 god with his statement. If Yahoshua was part of a triune god he would have said, "I and the Father and the Holy Spirit are one."  But of course neither he, nor anyone else in the Bible ever said such a thing.

The concept of a 'Trinity' was not only never mentioned in the entire Bible, the very first time in history that anyone ever suggested such a thing, as far as the Scriptures are concerned, was in the year 200 A.D. by a man named Tertullian, one of the so-called 'early church fathers'.  And from that time until now 'trinitarians' have been trying to harmonize such a belief with the Bible by using a handfull of passages, always taken out of context. All of those passages will be discussed on this website, 'theremnantofisrael.org'.  

Even though Yahoshua made it clear on numerous occasions while on earth, and afterwards, that his Father, Yahuweh, is the Only True God (John 17:3; 20:17; Matt 27:46; 1 Cor 8:6; 1 Time 2:5; Rev 3:2,12, etc) so many refuse believe it. And one of the passages used in an attempt to deny the words of the Savior is found in John 10:30. So with a desire to find "truth" rather than continue on in a tradition let's take a look it. 

I think it will become extremely obvious in this article that the Messiah is in no way trying to make himself out to be part of a 2 in 1, or 3 in 1 god, in which it is said he's the second part of. 

If the Messiah was not trying to imply that he and his Father "are one" in the sense of them both being part of a "godhead" then what did he mean by saying that he and his Father are "one"?  Turn, if you would, to John 17 and we're going to read verses 3, 11, and 21-23. (You might want to mark these passages in your Bible)

In John 17:3, "This is Eternal Life, that they might know YOU, Father, the only True Elohim (G-d), and Yahoshua the Messiah, whom you sent"

Yahoshua's starts his prayer to His Heavenly Father, by making it clear to all those who will hear him, that He IS NOT the Only True Elohim (G-d), but rather His Father, Yahuweh is. And He, Yahoshua the Messiah, is the one whom the Only True Elohim, Yahuweh, has sent. To know and believe this, according to the Savior, is Eternal Life.

In verse 11, of chap 17, the Savior, tells us: John 17:11, "And I am no more in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to you, Holy Father, keep them in your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one, even as we are one"

In what sense are we to be 'one' even as the Yahuweh, the Father, and Yahoshua, the Messiah, are 'one'?   We'll take a look at the answer in a moment. But if you would please drop down to verses 21 -23 of the same chapter,

Jn 17:21-23, "...that they may all be one;even as You Father, are in Me, and I in you, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You did send Me. And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them; that they may be one, 'just as We are one'; I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that You did love Me. Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, in order that they may behold My glory, which You have given Me; for You did love Me before the foundation of the world, O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You did send Me..."

There is so much that the Savior said here that we can discuss in more detail, such as the fact that glory which the Father gave to the Messiah, He gave that glory to His disciples, and of course THIS IS NOT the glory that was His because He was part of a Trinity, or co-equal with the Father, who He just got through telling His disciples was the "Only True Elohim (G-d)," in vs 3. If it was such a 'glory', making the Messiah equal with the Father, than I'm sure there are those that would come up with all kinds of wild ideas. Such as the Mormons for example, who use this very passage to say "they" are all going to be 'gods' some day, ruling over their own planets. I hope that sounds as bizarre to you as it does to me. But that is exactly how so many people through their misunderstanding of a passage develop such unscriptural concepts. The Trinity would be another one of the concepts that developed through people's misunderstanding of certain passages.

The fact is, that the "glory" which the Father gave to the Son, the Son gave to His disciples. We'll talk more about 'His Gory' in another article, but what we want to focus on for the moment is the fact that the disciples are to be one. How are they to be one? 'JUST AS THE FATHER AND SON ARE ONE,' we are to be one with them. Vs 22.

Now if we can understand in what sense the Father, Yahuweh and His Son, Yahoshua, and are one, it should become clear in what sense we, the disciples, are to be one, with them.

1) We are to be one with Yahoshua and the Father, in doctrine, or teaching.

  • 2John 1:9 "Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in 'the teaching of Messiah,' does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son,"

Of course one of the primary teachings of the Messiah is that His Father, is His Elohim (G-d), (John 20:17; Rev 3:2,12) and His Father is, the "Only" True God, (John 17:3).

For anyone to go beyond this and say that the 'Only True Elohim (G-d)' is actually made up of a 2 in 1, or a 3 in 1 god, known as a trinity, in which the Savior is the 2nd part of, is not abiding in the teaching of the Messiah, and does not have Elohim (G-d). As the apostle John just stated above.  For NEVER does the Savior or anyone else in the bible ever ask us to believe that the Almighty is anyone other then the Heavenly Father, Yahuweh.

  • 1 Cor 1:3,10; "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Master(Lord) Yahoshua the Messiah,...Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Master Yahoshua the Messiah, that you all agree, and there be no divisions among you, but you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment."

Obviously one of the things that the Corinthians agreed on, was that the 'Elohim' (G-d) mentioned here, or any where else in the bible, was not a Trinity.

2) We are to be forgiving towards one another as Yahuweh is towards us

  • Matt 6:14-15; For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if do not forgive men, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions."

  • Eph 4:32; "And be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Messiah also has forgiven you"

3) We, believers, should be one, in are love for one another.

  • John 17:23; I in them, and Thou in Me. that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me"

  • John 13:34; "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another"

4) We should "walk even as He (the Savior), walked," 1 Jn 2:6, with the same attitude that He had, that not our will be done, but Yahuweh's will be done.

  • Matt 26:39, "My Father if it be possible let this cup pass from me, yet not my will but your will be done."

  • Jn 7:17, If any man is willing to do His will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of Elohim, OR whether I speak from Myself.

In other words, 'one in unity of purpose.'

In conclusion, the Savior in John 10:30, COULD NOT be implying that He and His Father are one in the sense that they make up a the 3 in 1 god of the Trinity, for they are only 2, NOT 3. And in whatever way the Savior and his Father are one, he clearly tells us - we are to be one "just as they are one" - John 17:11,22.

The Messiah Yahoshua's prayer to the Heavenly Father did not go unanswered. His followers are one, in the manner described above, "just as" He and the Father are one. For we are commanded to "walk even as the Savior walked" (1 John 2:6)

If you've come to believe the words of the Savior in that his Father is the Only True Elohim won't you please join us in worshiping the Father in spirit and Truth?

For an explanation on the remainder of this passage, and who the 'gods' were that the Savior referred to in verse, 34-35, see the article, "I said you are elohim (or gods)."